Bugs, news and stuff: Re: [pcgen] Re: Advanced bestiary and Ultimate Evil?

Hi Mike,

Feedback is good. It shows that the UI despite our efforts still needs better polishing.

Let me try to answer the questions in a straightforward manner here, see below:

On 8/22/2015 11:25 AM, mikewishon@yahoo.com [pcgen] wrote:

the main reason I'm bringing these up is that i made a bunch of stuff using the srd and then i got SUPER excited about pcgen (I've been using it for about a week now) and was getting ready to transfer alot of my stuff over to PCGen when i discovered that there wasn't support for all the basic paizo stuff on the main website

"Basic Paizo stuff" - can you please define what basic means here?
We support the following source books from Paizo:

Core Rulebook
Advanced Player's Guide <-- which at this point would cover all the basics
Advanced Class Guide
Advanced Race Guide
Ultimate Campaign
Ultimate Combat
Ultimate Magic
Ultimate Equipment
Bestiary 1, 2 and 3
Mythic Adventures

and limited support for Unchained Summoner from the in development Pathfinder Unchained book
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Beyond those "core supplements", we also include the player options of:

Adventurers Armory
Andoran, Spirit of Liberty
Animal Archive
Blood of Angels
Blood of Fiends
Blood of the Moon
Cheliax, Empite of Devils
Dragon Empires Primer
Dungeoneers Handbook
Dwarves of Golarion
Faiths of Balance
Faiths of Purity
Faiths of Corruption
Gnomes of Golarion
Goblins of Golarion
Halfling of Golarion
Human of Golarion
Inner Sea Primer
Orcs of Golarion
People of the Stars
Pirates of the Inner Sea
Qadira, Gateway to the East
Sagava, The lost colony
Tald, echoes of glory
Varisia, birthplace of legends

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Campaign settings supplements include

Book of the Damned (Vol.1 and Vol.2)
Dark Markets
Distant Worlds
Dragon Empires Gazetteer
Guide to the Rivers Kingdoms
Heart of the Jungle
Inner Sea Bestiary
Inner Sea Combat
Inner Sea World Guide
Pathfinder Society Field Guide
Seekers of Secrets
Technology Guide

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And a bunch of Adventure Path support -

Carrion Crown
Council of Thieves
Curse of the Crimson Throne
Iron Gods
Jade Regent
Kingmaker
Legacy of Fire
Mummy's Mask
Reign of Winter
Rise of the Runelords
Second Darkness
Serpents Skull
Shattered Star
Skull and Shackles

and a gamemastery card set.

So forgive me if I'm slightly hurt that we are considered to not support the "Basic Paizo" stuff.

I totally understand that you guys put in A LOT of work and that programming isn't easy (I have done some C++ in the past) and since I am not actively contributing to PCGen i really don't have the right to say anything, but in my honest opinion i don't think it looks particularly good to new users when the basic paizo stuff on the website isn't accessible for in PCGen. I apologize if I am offending anybody, that is not my intent. If i were to outline the major issues I've encountered since starting using PCGen just from a newcomers perspective, I would say the following (not to say i don't love PCGen, i do! i think its the best thing since canned bread and the internet)
1. Archetypes- (in particular i noticed the sorcerer ones) from the same website are lacking

Please be mindful of which website you're referencing here. d20pfsrd.com is not paizo. That is a 3rd party run website which gathers materials from Paizo, and many 3rd party publishers. Contrasting our offerings against that is quite unfair and unreasonable. It also is a false claim, since many such items are not in fact Paizo. The official paizo website is: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/

2. Mythic Adventures- can't figure out how this works for the life of me, doesn't seem to be a way to give my character mythic tiers, or attain spell slots over 9 though i do see that they exist

A simple "how do I work this" helps. I can force a prompt if that is required. However, you assign a MYTHIC TIER under the Feats and Abilities tab.

3. Optional Rules- in particular the advanced race rules for race building just don't seem to work last i tried them, it just doesn't apply the stuff to the character instead it still wants me to pick a normal race

Shoehorning a static program into dynamic building is not fun. There is a specific RACE "Race Builder" you select to enable the builder to work.

4. Gods- this is kinda a big one. there doesn't seem to be a way to sort out the dieties into stuff like evil and good, or to get a basic description. also some things are REALLY confusing. for example one of the traits for character creation needs you to worship one of the elemental lords, however no diety is clearly labeled as an elemental lord, so it wont let me take that trait. eventually i just gave up on it.

The interface is again, not as prominent as we would like. A small button/bubble along the top area has a few options, you can left/right click and add field columns. There is also SORTING allowed, click it for a-z and then z-a.

If its ok i would be happy to write up a list of sources from the srd wiki that would need to be added to get all the base classes and PrCs on PCGen. I just really think PCGen is awesome but from the viewpoint of the uninitiated when you see that it lacks so much of the SRD it makes you feel kinda limited i guess... Idk, i barely know what i'm talking about feel free to ignore me lol

When you say the "SRD wiki" I don't think you grasp that you're talking about non-SRD sources. PCGen already includes pretty much all the SRD from Paizo. I'd say unless they added something new, we cover all the base classes quite well. Also, SRD Wikis are notorious for including homebrew materials that aren't vetted. Please be mindful that we only support the official publisher sanctioned materials.

Now, I will welcome any and all help. Happy to assist as well. However, PCGen has some rules to follow for including items into the public release. For example, Green Ronin Publishing has opted to not allow us permission to include their books. As such, we cannot release those books. However, you are free to make it for your personal use.

I hope that covers all your concerns. If I missed something, please let me know.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Posted by: Andrew <drew0500@yahoo.com>

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